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Post by Roas on May 31, 2017 8:13:35 GMT -5
I'm usually not as grouchy about fandom as Roas, but man, some people really don't like Mikasa being referred to as Eren's adopted sister. I saw a crazy, volatile back on forth over whether she was adopted or merely taken in by the Jaegers. I'm not sure why even makes a difference, since the upshot is that she was still raised in the same family and calls Eren "family," but I assume it lowers the squick value for people who ship them. This just proves my point that fandoms have devolved into worse cesspools than ever before. People become too attached to these things and tether certain parts of themselves to them, so that if you differ in opinion you are the antichrist. One cannot have even a logical difference of opinion, because there is no room for individuality anymore. God forbid you have a different theory or view on something in a story...and god help you if you don't agree on sexuality or anything sexually related to characters, because even if there is no evidence of that relationship ever happening...it exists for these little psychos who write their fanfics late at night to make themselves feel important. This is why I just watch/read a series and enjoy it by myself with only minor discussions like here or with one or two people elsewhere. That way in the end I am either just pleased or privately disappointed with series' outcomes. Best example right now is how continually disappointed I am with how the Tenchi OAV universe has turned out after 25 years. That series has just gone so off the rails of quality and choices, that it isn't remotely the same series that it was when it first ended with the 2nd OAV. After 25 years of waiting angst...they are going to cop out and have Tenchi "choose both girls"...I'm not angry as much as sad. History has already proven with Naruto and Hinata that I can take a pairing not going my way if the story for it is good. I could have taken Tenchi choosing Ayeka over Ryoko. What I cannot stand is the cop out no choice, because it's just bad story telling. But you know what the great thing is? One, the Tenchi fandom died off years ago. There are no real internet hubs as far as I know. Two, because I'm just by myself on this, I've had my mourning for the series over the past week now, and I've moved on in my head. This is why more and more I care about simply creating worlds of my own for the sole fact that at least I won't be disappointed and hope to give others a feeling of not being disappointed.
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Post by Roas on Jun 7, 2017 23:03:32 GMT -5
Okay.
So, maybe I'm a hardass, but these chapters about the Eldians still interned by the Marley are only pissing me off. Watching a bunch of brain washed people spout propaganda because they have been convinced they have to feel guilt for things their ancestors did and they didn't is not only boring me...but annoying me intensely.
I can understand the story telling purpose on all fronts for this, but good gravy, I'd rather get back to characters I care about. Too much time being spent here.
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Post by Rune Lai on Jun 8, 2017 22:55:08 GMT -5
I honestly think this is the new story arc, and we're not going back anytime soon. When we do, it will be because Reiner's heading there as part of the attack force. I think Isayama is going to tell the story of the Eldians who live in Marley. I didn't like chapters 91-92 very much, but 93 and 94 warmed me up to the new arc. And I suspect that Marley is a lot more complex than just brainwashing Eldians. Zeke is not drinking the Kool-Aid since they don't know about his full heritage, so he's not a simple tool. If he was brainwashed he probably would have told them everything, but he hasn't. Like Krueger said, the truth is probably neither what Marley said or what the Eldian restorationists believe but something in the middle.
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Post by Roas on Jun 9, 2017 0:07:06 GMT -5
I honestly think this is the new story arc, and we're not going back anytime soon. When we do, it will be because Reiner's heading there as part of the attack force. I think Isayama is going to tell the story of the Eldians who live in Marley. I didn't like chapters 91-92 very much, but 93 and 94 warmed me up to the new arc. And I suspect that Marley is a lot more complex than just brainwashing Eldians. Zeke is not drinking the Kool-Aid since they don't know about his full heritage, so he's not a simple tool. If he was brainwashed he probably would have told them everything, but he hasn't. Like Krueger said, the truth is probably neither what Marley said or what the Eldian restorationists believe but something in the middle. Well, when I said brainwashed, I was specifically thinking about the likes of Reiner's mother and his family going on and on about "demons" this and "demons" that who want to destroy the world. That's the propaganda I was talking about. Just frustrates me when I have to suffer characters like that, that are for me straining my tolerance for a story. I mean, it's one thing to encounter characters like that in novels. I read the novel moving through the story at will. But with a once a month manga...ugh, it's rough that my once a month taste of the story makes me suffer these fools. Just not fun for me. But honestly, in 94 based on Reiner's flashback...Marley doesn't seem that complex to me...giant raging assholes.
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Post by Rune Lai on Jun 9, 2017 18:33:02 GMT -5
That attitude isn't uniform though. Most people who would send their children into the warrior program would likely look favorably upon Marley, so it makes sense that Reiner's family would be like that, and we've already seen the dissident viewpoint through Grisha. This lets us see the other side of the story.
As far as Marley goes, Magath seems indicative of what the average Marleyan might be like. He might not be buddy-buddy with Eldians and may make racist comments, but he's capable of being courteous and trusting their opinion. The dude banters with Zeke, which he wouldn't if he was a raging a-hole.
I'm not saying they're angels, but I draw a lot of parallels between the US and the internment of Japanese Americans when I read this arc because despite being interned, having their property confiscated, and being shot or even killed while in the camps, a lot of Japanese chose to fight on behalf of the United States.
Now most people would agree that this was a horribly racist thing for the US to have done, but that doesn't mean that the US was full of raging a-holes during WW2. I don't see Marley as being any different. It's perfectly possible for a country to do something bad while having redeeming qualities elsewhere.
We don't know what those qualities may be, because we're seeing things from the Eldian POV, but the warriors have been battling tooth and nail for these guys even knowing the truth about Paradis, so they must see something in Marley worth fighting for.
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Post by Rune Lai on Jun 17, 2017 18:54:16 GMT -5
Season 3 is coming! 2018! And it looks like it'll cover the next two story arcs, up to Volume 22. Isayama probably won't be done with the current arc by then, so they're going as far as they possibly can.
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Post by Rune Lai on Sept 9, 2017 19:45:36 GMT -5
Chapter 97 was good. Rather than focusing on one particular thing, we got to bounce around between different points in the past and now things are really heating up in the present. ^_^ There's definitely a new player in town.
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Post by Roas on Dec 8, 2018 1:14:03 GMT -5
So, this thread has been dormant for months...hell over a year I guess...
...I feel like I really need to say that I just do not like what this manga has become. For me, this story and all its characters (and my god too many of those) have simply gone way too into left field for me.
I'm bored, I don't like anyone anymore, and it just feels dumb at this point.
If it wasn't so close to the end, I'd give it up, but I've come this far....might as well see what I see as a dumpster fire end.
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Post by Rune Lai on Dec 9, 2018 3:15:09 GMT -5
I'm still enjoying it, but it's a much different story than the one we started with, so I don't blame people who have stopped reading or are just trying to finish because it's in its last arc. There's no way we could have expected the current arc from where we started back in the beginning.
It probably would be different if I was a big Eren fan, because he's changed so much (and I'm pretty sure he's being controlled by something or someone even though he says he's not), but I'm not so I'm reading with a sort of detached curiosity. My favorite surviving character is still Jean and he doesn't look to be kicking the bucket any time soon.
Since I like political intrigue and morally gray characters the current arc is up my alley, and to be honest, Eren taking a large dump on Mikasa kinda me laugh because it felt like a giant middle finger to Eremika shippers. I know there's a theory going around that he's just doing it to put some distance between them and protect her, but even if he is, you can see how much it hurts her, and from that we actually get an amazing bit of character development from her! Mikasa begins to realize that her dedication to Eren might be completely unnatural, and I think that's a good thing, because she hasn't had any character development whatsoever since the Battle of Trost.
I've always felt that Mikasa could be a cool character, but has been crippled by the fact her defining trait is her fanatical dedication to Eren. Nothing else has mattered to her, so she's been boring to watch. You always knew exactly where she stood, and now we don't anymore.
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Post by Roas on Dec 9, 2018 8:15:49 GMT -5
You mention shippers. This action proves how disinterest I have become, or maybe always was.
You know me. I am very big on romance for characters. I've never once been interested in romance in this story...never. I just don't care who likes who. I have zero emotional investment. I can honestly say that everything else I'm reading I have some interest in characters finding romance....but here it's a big don't give two shits.
Like I said, I just want it to be over, and good thing it almost is.
When the anime reaches this arc, I do not think that part of the fanbase who only watches anime will be happy or receptive. This series got people excited for what it did in the first half of the series...that is non-existent right now.
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Post by Rune Lai on Dec 9, 2018 17:01:59 GMT -5
I don't think Attack on Titan is really the best series to be looking for ships in. A lot of the characters have emotional issues and while I like a good romance, AoT is just so clearly unromantic that I haven't gone looking. (And I dislike the Eren Mikasa pairing because they're essentially siblings, and it's so obviously an unhealthy one-sided relationship.) The only one I found remotely plausible is Eren and Historia (prior to getting Eren going whacko) because of the one moment they were cute together on her farm and I realized I would be okay if the story went that direction. It didn't, so I just shrugged and moved on.
It's funny what you say about the fanbase though. I remember when people were saying all the anime-onlies were going to be disappointed once we got to the Uprising arc (because of all the political crap and the lack of Titans). Manga readers were saying that's when the series went downhill and people would stop watching.
And then the Uprising arc was animated, and anime-onlies were largely okay with it.
There's a lot of similar talk with the current arc, and I expect the results when the anime gets there to be similar.
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Post by Roas on Dec 9, 2018 17:57:27 GMT -5
I don't think Attack on Titan is really the best series to be looking for ships in. A lot of the characters have emotional issues and while I like a good romance, AoT is just so clearly unromantic that I haven't gone looking. (And I dislike the Eren Mikasa pairing because they're essentially siblings, and it's so obviously an unhealthy one-sided relationship.) The only one I found remotely plausible is Eren and Historia (prior to getting Eren going whacko) because of the one moment they were cute together on her farm and I realized I would be okay if the story went that direction. It didn't, so I just shrugged and moved on. It's funny what you say about the fanbase though. I remember when people were saying all the anime-onlies were going to be disappointed once we got to the Uprising arc (because of all the political crap and the lack of Titans). Manga readers were saying that's when the series went downhill and people would stop watching. And then the Uprising arc was animated, and anime-onlies were largely okay with it. There's a lot of similar talk with the current arc, and I expect the results when the anime gets there to be similar. Maybe. But the uprising arc was drastically different in the sense that the characters were still...themselves? So with the characters still behaving like anime onlies were used to, I can see how they would accept the tone change that came with that arc. I mean, a creator has every right to evolve their characters how they want, but what we have now, to me at least (Levi being the only person who still acts like themself) is that all the leads feel completely different from before the time skip. For me, the are almost unrecognizable. And I'm not talking "they just got older and act different" but there is something just...wrong to me. Right now, I think post time skip is not going to be received well when it's animated a year or so from now. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong, but I reiterate that this is not the series I signed up for three years ago, anymore.
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Post by Rune Lai on Dec 10, 2018 13:09:24 GMT -5
I guess I'm not seeing much of a difference aside from the very obvious Eren. Everyone else feels like a natural evolution, given a few years of preparing for war and then getting dragged into it. Even Mikasa's change when she first shows up at the Battle of Liberio (where she sounds very weary about Eren rather than supportive) felt like something that could have come about over the past three years.
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Post by Roas on Dec 10, 2018 15:52:36 GMT -5
That's why we're all entitled to see things differently, because we all interpret things differently.
You already said the format of this last arc has been executed in a way you like, so you're more comfortable as the ride comes to an end than I am right now.
Either way, we'll both reach the end, and when that happens we can have final thoughts.
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Post by Roas on Mar 7, 2019 19:23:39 GMT -5
I...am...so...sick...of this story.
Please....just end....
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